Well, I have had quite a number of discussions with Creationists and Christians about this great biblical flood. From this I have seen a level of ignorance so immense in scale that it can only ever be categorized as intentional and willful ignorance. Anything science is seen as a conspiracy by these few some, those to whom believe the bible to be a book of truth. Many seem to have no education in geology, plate tectonics, or even a basic understanding of thermodynamics. Though we can't expect everyone to know everything, as I surely don't myself, but we can expect people to at least not be willfully ignorant. So this article deals specifically with those people who literally believe the Biblical Flood occurred. This to where every living thing on the face of the Earth was drowned or killed, and where the waters magically rose above all the mountains to where the whole of the Earth was under water. More specifically 25 feet above the highest mountain!. We have two Newsviners that I know of to whom believe this to be true. Out of respect I will not name them, but they will know who they are. So let's first address the bible:
19 The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains q]">[q]everywhere under the heavens were covered. 20 The water prevailed fifteen r]">[r]cubits higher (roughly 25 ft), Q)">(Q)and the mountains were covered.
As we can see the claims in the bible are using terms not associated with metaphors . It's claiming something to be true or factual, as if the mountains were indeed submerged in water to which had risen 25 feet above their highest peak (Mt Everest). That's 29,054 feet (roughly). This might have been 20-75 feet shorter 3,000 years ago, but we will just use 29,029 feet of Mount Everest without even needing the additional 25 feet for this articles purpose .. But before we go into the math, let's also review where this water supposedly came from and where it went when it receded:
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on the same day all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.
Well, after reviewing the above, it seems that the water came from the sky and from fountains in the deep. Now rain and tsunamis ect make sense as to where water can come from to make a localized flood, they however make no logical sense in terms of a world flood on such a global scale described. We will look into this when I do the math further into this article. Now where did the water GO?:
2 Also C)">(C)the fountains of the deep and the a]">[a]floodgates of the sky were closed, and D)">(D)the rain from the sky was restrained; 3 and the water receded steadily from the earth, and at the end E)">(E)of one hundred and fifty days the water decreased. 4 In the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, F)">(F)the ark rested upon the mountains of Ararat. 5 The water decreased steadily until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains became visible.
Now here we have a major problem, the bible makes no mention as to where the water magically goes. Especially the amount of water required to flood the Earth to 29,029 feet above sea level. And the heat and thermodynamics to evaporate this amount of water within less than a year would be incredibly high. Noah and all the animals on the Ark would have literally baked to death. And that still wouldn't answer the question as to where all this water magically went. Especially if you understand how the weather cycle works. Some might argue that it drained back into the Earth ect.. So let's do the math and figure out why this is all nonsensical:
A fellow skeptic said:
To cover Mount Everest, it would require 3 times the amount of water currently on the planet.
Well, I have made a math error, and thanks to Dave.., Loretta is correct. However, It's about 3.20 times the water on Earth. But we can follow along below:
So my reply to Loretta was:
I am pretty sure it would take far more than that, but I will have to do the math.
Ahh heck, why not? Let do the math!... Thus first and foremost, It's important to note that the volume required will increase dramatically as you expand since you are dealing with an oblate sphere. You are basically increasing mass and volume as you expand out from the center of the sphere. Now I know the Earth isn't a Perfect sphere and is oblate, but for this purpose we will pretend it's 360 degree sphere. (this will actually reduce the volume required..So no need to complain!) The differences would be marginal anyways. Volume of water Required to cover Earth and Mount Everest is calculated as follows:
1) Finding Earth volume at seal level:
6,371 km is Earth's mean (average) radius (this is less than actual sea level of 6,384 km ), and we calculate volume with the formula: Volume= 4/3 (PI)(6,371 km)3
Volume= 4/3 (3.14)(258,596,602,811 cubic km)
Convert formula to:
Volume= 4 (812,405,187,634.31527541033759924707 cubic KM) -- Divided by--:3
Convert formula to:
3,249,620,750,537.2611016413503969883 -- Divided by: 3
Earth's Volume at sea level equals:
1,083,206,916,845.7537005471167989961 cubic Kilometers
What I did above is do the math step by step so you could follow along. Keep in mind that the above figure is at the mean volume, or estimated average for an oblate sphere.
2) Earths Volume with the height Mount Everest is calculated as follows:
H(height of Mt Everest: 8.84803 km / 29,029 feet) + (Earth's mean Radius: 6,371 km) = : 6379.84803 KM Radius
Then use the same formula outlined above:
V = 4/3 (3.14)(6,379.84803 km)^3
This gives us a total Volume of:
1,087,726,253,231.9131585664283797871 cubic km's..
This is to have 29,029 feet of water above sea level. Hence this is the total cubic Volume of Earth if it's volume were at the height of Mount Everest. But we need to find out how much volume of water is needed without including the current volume of Earth at sea level right?. Yep! So on to step 3!
3) So how much volume must we fill between sea level and the top of Mount Everest? Well, we have to subtract Earth's mean volume at sea level from the total volume (Earth + Height of Mt Everest):
(1,087,726,253,231.9131585664283797871 cubic km's: MT Everest + Earth's volume)
(1,083,206,916,845.7537005471167989961 cubic km's: Earth's volume at sea level).
This gives us the volume of water needed to cover Earth to at least the tip of Mt Everest starting at sea level. And that volume is:
4,519,336,386.1594580193115807909607 cubic KM's of water.
That is about roughly 3 times the total volume of water on Earth in order to get 29,029 feet of water. However, we are still left to verify how much more water in addition to what already exists do we need to rise sea levels 29,029 feet above current sea levels in regards to a credible source. So off to step 4!
4) So how much more water is needed vs how much water already scientifically exists in total according to a cited source?:
Thus the total estimated volume of water actually on Earth is about:
1,409,560,910 cubi km's..
And if we divided (4,519,336,386.1594580193115807909607 cubic km's) by (1,409,560,910 cubic km's) we get:
That's 3.20 times the water currently on Earth to rise 29,029 feet above sea level if we go by the cited source! That is more than the initial math provided above in step 3. Also, If all the water known to be on Earth were in liquid form on the face of the Earth, it would only rise current sea levels about 200-250 ft.
But even then you would still need around 2.8 - 3.0 times the water needed. But lets explore some of the common misconceptions Creationists have:
Water in the Atmosphere:
the U.S. Geological Survey, the amount of water in the earth’s atmosphere could not possibly cover the earth
One estimate of the volume of water in the atmosphere at any one time is about 3,100 cubic miles or 12,900 cubic kilometers . If all of the water in the atmosphere rained down, it would only cover the ground to a depth of 2.5 centimeters, about 1 inch.
now I didn't take in account of the volume displacement of the mountains themselves, or land masses.. But it would still result in about 2.5 times the volume of water on Earth needed to reach 29,029 feet above current sea levels.. Even if you wanted to argue for 1/2 it would still be about 1.6 times the water on Earth to accomplish such a feat. Also there is another way of looking at this:
A cubic kilometer of water equals about 264 billion gallons. So lets figure out how many gallons we need :)..
4,519,336,386.1594580193115807909607 cubic Kilometers of water.
X 264,000,000,000.XX gallons of water
1,193,104,805,946,096,917,098.2573288136 gallons of water!
THAT'S A LOT OF WATER!!.. Now lets move on to Thermodynamics in regards to the biblical flood. Here we will determine why such a flood would likely kill all life on Earth, including those on the Ark.
First we can take a moment to understand energy flow:
The additional water cannot come from water vapor or clouds
because the atmospheric pressure would be up 840 times greater than standard pressure
of the atmosphere today if all that additional water was in the atmosphere. Worse yet, the latent heat released when the vapour
condenses into liquid water would be enough to raise the temperature of the
Earth's atmosphere to approximately 3,570 C (6,460 F). Thus the Earth would be too hot to have water on the surface at all.. This would make Venus's surface temperatures of around 900 degrees F look like a joke.
However, to flood the Earth, we would require at least 4.519×109 km3, or likely more accurate figure of 4.525×109 km3 of water to cover the height of Mt Everest if we used the radius of 6,384.4 since Earth is an oblate Sphere and can range from 6,353 to 6,384 (6,384.4) , And here is the math for that:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6387.248 km3
= 1.09151×1012 km3
Now, the Earth at sea level:
V = 4/3×pi×r3
= 4/3×pi×6378.4 km3
= 1.08698×1012 km3
The difference between these two figures is the amount of water needed to just
cover the Earth: 4.525×109 Or, to put into a more rounded number, just for ease and argument sake, that would give us a required need of an additional 4,525,000,000,000 cubic kilometres of water to cover Mt Everest.
Now if we used Earth's radius of (6,384 km) with a mass of 4.525×1021 kg, this amount of water on Earth's surface will have quite a bit of potential energy to which would be converted to kinetic energy when it rains, falls, and impacts the surface of Earth. This is converted into "Heat". And The amount of heat released would kill every living thing on Earth, to which includes Noah and all the supposed animals on the Ark. How much heat? Lets calculate:
Potential energy formula: E=MgH
M = mass of water
g = the gravitational constant = 6.67300 × 10-11 m3 kg-1 s-2
H = height of water above surface.
So going by the biblical 40 days and nights of rain, it would literally make the amount of mass falling to Earth each day as 4.525×1021 kg divided by 40 24-hour time periods. This equals 1.10675×1020 kilograms (1,128.885 kilograms) of water each day. Now if we were to just use H as 16,000 meters for the altitude of the rain clouds, and the distance rain must fall ( about 845 meters above of the height of Mt. Ararat at 5,155 meters), the energy released each day would be about 1.73584×1025 joules (1,779.195 joules). The amount of energy the Earth would have to radiate per m2/sec is energy divided by surface area of the Earth times number of seconds in one day. That is:
e = 1.735384×1025/(4×3.14159×((63862)×86,400))
e = 391,935.0958 j/m2/s
Right now Earth radiates energy at around 215 joules/m2/sec
and the average temperature is 280 K. Using the Stefan-Boltzman 4th-Power Law to calculate the increase in temperature:
E (increase)/E (normal) = T (increase)/T4 (normal)
E (normal) = 215
E (increase) = 391,935.0958
T (normal) = 280.
Take the Genesis flood and T (increase) equals 1,800 K.
The temperature would thus rise to a life baking 2,780.33 F.. And that is ignoring the the fact if you had all that extra water in the atmosphere to which would give us 6,000 plus degrees F.. So Can anyone tell me why you can't have liquid water at such high temperatures!
But let's go a step further and make a Modification to account for MT Everest's Height to a max 7000 years ago:
Mount Everest grows about 3 to 30 mm per year due to plate tectonics. Or recent figure of up to 2.4 inches a year. And that is assuming a constant to which is unlikely, so you would take the middle rate of 1.2 inches X max 7000 years. That's 8,400 inches or 700 feet. We can then - 25 feet for the cubit feet above the mountains to which I didn't add and get 675 feet or 0.20574 km. Giving Mount Everest a height of 8.64229 km..
V = 4/3 (3.14)(6379.64229 km)^3
This Gives us:
Subtract Earths Volume and we get:
4,414,107,430.1416867199732385016155 km3 of water needed.
And that is being generous with 7,000 years of growth since I am giving it all to increase of height, and the neglect of erosion just for argument sake, and to give the theists a little help ;) ... This also doesn't account for water density under increased pressure, or additional water needed to account for bowing that would result in further uplifting of MT Everest. And that is because I am not about to do that calculation to make a basic point that doesn't require me to.. But needlessly to say, we are low-balling a figure here, or making up for land mass volume displacement. This is still about 3x's the amount of water on Earth.
The other problem is that there is no evidence suggesting the Polar Ice caps have ever melted completely away.. And the Ice core samples are far older than even 10,000 years as they go back 100's of thousands of years:
So in order to do the biblical flood, it would have to magically not melt the polar Ice caps! And that would mean you will need an additional 24,064,000 km3 of water!.. :/ This would put the magical flood at:
4,438,171,430.1416867199732385016155 km3 of water
I would also recommend reading the comment section as there is a lot of science regarding this subject.. Here are some you might like to reference:
*USGS studies in regards to P-waves and S-waves:
* Plate tectonics, energy, Thermodynamics, and the Greenhouse effect:
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